Russia Warns: Poland could face attack over its missile defense deal with the US.

**Spiral** · #1 (**permalink**) 08-18-2008, 10:56 PM

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GORI, Georgia - Under a statue of Josef Stalin, the best-known product of this city, a Russian and a Georgian were discussing the war. The Georgian was wearing a T-shirt and track pants. The Russian was in uniform, holding an AK-47.

The Georgian, Archil Tadianidze, lives in Gori and was talking about militia fighters from the breakaway province of South Ossetia who had joined with Russian volunteers to rampage in and around Gori.

"They killed civilians in the villages," he said.

"Now we've gotten tough with them, but where were your police?" answered the Russian, Andrei Pilipchuk, an Interior Ministry spokesman who had accompanied a handful of journalists here.

"They left," Tadianidze said.

As diplomats try to get a cease-fire agreement between Georgia and Russia signed and put into place, an uneasy kind of calm has settled on Gori, occupied by the Russians and situated just south of South Ossetia.

Russian armored vehicles rattle down near-empty streets, and the few remaining residents line up for bread and talk with the soldiers, who have restored a semblance of order. Many of the people who are left are rattled or frightened.

Most buildings appear intact, though a few on the outskirts were burned. Electricity is scarce, and there are very few people left, most of them men or elderly. Younger people fled into the mountains or to Tbilisi.

A woman in her 40s named Manana Labadze, wearing a shabby black dress and worn-out shoes no better than slippers, was outside Gori near a Russian-occupied artillery base. She was carrying a bag with a coat and nectarines.

She was so scared and shell-shocked that when she saw Russian soldiers, all she could do was start handing out the nectarines, and read from a small book of poetry she was carrying in the bag.

"My home is over there," she told a reporter, "but I'm hiding in a basement at my relatives'. I'm scared."

On Friday, a reluctant Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili said he had signed a cease-fire agreement, and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said she had been assured the Russian president would sign an identical document.

The cease-fire would require Russia to withdraw its combat forces from Georgia but allows Russian peacekeepers to remain in the breakaway region of South Ossetia and conduct limited patrols outside the region.

In Gori, the Russian presence is strategically critical: Gori sits along only Georgia's only significant east-west highway, which means occupying the city allowed the Russians effectively to split the nation in two.

As in many parts of Georgia, aid has been slow to come. On Thursday, staffers from the United Nations refugee agency and its World Food Program hoped to enter Gori to assess whether it was safe to deliver humanitarian aid.

The situation turned ugly. South Ossetian militiamen appeared, pointing weapons, and began shoving civilians and shouting at people to leave the area.

Georgian police had come to enter Gori but turned back when confrontation developed between the Russian military and the Georgian army.

On Friday, Russian military vehicles were blocking the eastern road into the city, although they allowed in one Georgia bus filled with loaves of bread.

Garadzim Tamgiashvili, 46, an unemployed electrician with graying red hair, said there was a lot of looting by South Ossetians and Russians from the North Caucasus before the Russian military arrived. He said they killed civilians.

He said the Russian soldiers told him they planned to "give it to the Americans."

"We know this is a war between the West and Russia," he said.

Residents reported atrocities in the villages between Gori and Tskhinvali, the South Ossetian provincial capital. Outside Gori, an Associated Press reporter saw a burning wheat field. In the village of Tirdznise, the body of a Georgian soldier lay swollen in the heat.

But for the moment, Gori itself seemed to be a showcase. The Russian troops had stopped the looting, restored order.

One of the few younger women left was Iya Kinvilashvili, 30, the owner of a now-empty shop. Standing next to a church that has organized handouts of bread and flour, she said the Russians were behaving well.

"When is peace coming?" she asked. "We only want peace. We never wanted this war."

I'm starting to wonder who is control of Russia, Putin or the Russian military?

MariusKane · #2 (**permalink**) 08-19-2008, 12:02 AM

they say: we have the guns, we have the power, why we shouldn't show this to the rest of the world?

SRXRZA · #3 (**permalink**) 08-19-2008, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Spiral

I'm starting to wonder who is control of Russia, Putin or the Russian military?

And who do you think contols USA??? You probably don't think it's BUSH(ROFL)? He was barely D grader in high school + his "papa" was influental man...= IQ far bellow 80

UN is created with purpose to keep world in state of peace(thats sounds funny

)-But UN obviously lost it's purpose at the time it was created...Where the UN was when USA spread terror? Gruzija{Georgia}, former part of SSSR-one small country, dared to attack Russian peacekeepers, then Russia responded harder than they should...But there is CNN&BBC aka PROPAGANDA TOWERS to spread the TRUTH(Look bellow, into the DICTIONARY) through "the free world"(look into the dictionary). I won't list the countries invaded by USA, just say this-USA KEEPS THE WORLD RECORD(PROBABLY THE GALACTIC RECORD TOO)

DICTIONARY
"TRUTH"-When Americans do things, remove the messy parts... but when others do, add some more and heat it up!
"the free world"-Every place on Earth where you can walk around with m16(or m60) in your yard or hunt deers with AWP-Europe and Asia are mostly savage areas and wait to be "LIBERATED" like Iraq was.
"LIBERATED" Mostly means bombed and devastated, but with purpose to bring democracy-make it part of "the free world".
"CLA"-CentralLyingAgency-Becouse, in the name of freedom, WE must hide some truth!!!
" + or H on the roof"-Hospital

examples of their help to the rest of the world:
How to help the people in Iraq(read: Eyeruuk) with Saddam and take over their imaginary weapons of mass destruction(becouse they had none of them-And you believed when CIA(or CLA-check the dictionary) declared that they didn't know, LOL, OFFCOURSE YOU DID-WHY WOULD THEY LIE???)-Well kill 10 times Saddam did = bringing democracy

How to help people of Yugoslavia(Serbia) with Milosevic- Well kill 100 times he did + bomb city centers(civilians are there only) with carpet bombs, Kosovo(southern province of Serbia) with dep. uranium shells(randomly, wast areas-not military targets), "take out" civilian train with more than 200 people in it(Yes, childrens DO travell with trains-They don't need driver licence for that) with thermal(I don't know how else to call it) rocket(More than 1500celsius-steel melted, victimes vaporised) ETC.
The list continues.....................

You think you're safe in building with big red cross +(Check the dictionary) on the roof and an blue "H"? GOTCH YA [/BOOOOOM/]

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Russia Warns: Poland could face attack over its missile defense deal with the US.

Do you actually know what's "missile defense"???-It's one powerful radar(which CAN scan Russian theritory from Polan) + an ICBM facility(to shoot icoming rockets, but you can also put warheads in those and potencially use them on Russians)
Russia said that they WILL test modernist TUPOLJEV-M(search the net to find out more) if the radar facility is built(test will be performed on radar/m defense facility to proove it's inefficienci offcourse).

OK, POOR GEORGIANS

BUT WHY THEIR IGNORRANT PRESSIDENT AND ARMY MESSED WITH RUSSIA AT THE FIRST PLACE

(GEORGIANS ATTACKED THE PEACEKEEPERS FIRST, AREN'T THEY)

SORRY MSSR

P.S:NO WAR IS GOOD WAR!!!

gray mouser · #4 (**permalink**) 08-19-2008, 05:25 PM

I actually sort of agree with you, SRXRZA.

I mean while it is true the missile defense shield can be used against Rogue states, it can also very well be used against the Russians. Since the US has never been too friendly with the Russians I can see why they are a bit upset by it. It is also very obvious that the nations getting this shield (which is of dubious value since it is still relatively unproven) are near Russia, and as such can pose a threat.

I think any leader who was pursuing a course independent of US hegemony would be a bit antsy by these moves.

TrueRedDevil · #5 (**permalink**) 08-19-2008, 06:16 PM

What is happening in Georgia is really... I don't have a word to describe the situation. What I do know is, how the Russians manipulate the Eastern Europe. They own every last pipeline, they have supreme military... and a "president" (read:Slave under Putin). The situation now is, sadly, quite the same as when the former Soviet Union launched their attacks on FINLAND. If you would meet my granpa, you would understand what war does to people. I understand that the Georgians hate Russians, and vice versa. It was the same in Finland 50 years ago... and the situation hasn't cleared up much. Many Finns still hate Russians. I personally, don't hate Russia nor any other country. But I know what war causes. RIP all the victims, both Russian and Finnish, who died when the Red Army attacked.
But war is a part of the human nature, and so peace will never be found...

What we really DON'T want, is the so called aid from the US.
What we want, is the Georgians to apologize for what they did, and also the Russians to do the same.

**mister ep** · #6 (**permalink**) 08-19-2008, 07:32 PM

What's happening these days is not news at all: mr. Putin is simply replicating what Hitler did to Czechoslovakia. Remember? He proclaimed the Sudetes, who lived in Czechoslovakia, were citizens of the Reich, then he proclaimed Germany's duty to defend its citizens and in order to do so he invaded that country. Pretty much the same is happening today. The big question is who's next...Poland, Ukraine, the Baltic Republics? History repeats itself....

SRXRZA · #7 (**permalink**) 08-19-2008, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mister ep

What's happening these days is not news at all: mr. Putin is simply replicating what Hitler did to Czechoslovakia. Remember? He proclaimed the Sudetes, who lived in Czechoslovakia, were citizens of the Reich, then he proclaimed Germany's duty to defend its citizens and in order to do so he invaded that country. Pretty much the same is happening today. The big question is who's next...Poland, Ukraine, the Baltic Republics? History repeats itself....

No it wasn't the same. Oil/WorldDom wars are the same...
Russian army just responded to attack on their peacekeepers in UN(as I already said).
That was a needed lesson for Suckassvilly(Or whatever is the name of Georgian pressident, but he obviously suck up USAs ass), never to mess with russian people again- Ignorrant president(slave of Pantagon) probbably coudn't learn it the easiest way.

Only things I sorry for are those Georgian civilians who lost their family, friends, houses as payment for stupedety of their president and those "cold war" paranoid desires of US to approach as near as they can to Russia...

But for Georgian army, I hope Russians will devastate it to very last "camuflage" coloured "Lada Niva"...

SRXRZA · #8 (**permalink**) 08-19-2008, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TrueRedDevil

What is happening in Georgia is really... I don't have a word to describe the situation. What I do know is, how the Russians manipulate the Eastern Europe. They own every last pipeline, they have supreme military... and a "president" (read:Slave under Putin). The situation now is, sadly, quite the same as when the former Soviet Union launched their attacks on FINLAND. If you would meet my granpa, you would understand what war does to people. I understand that the Georgians hate Russians, and vice versa. It was the same in Finland 50 years ago... and the situation hasn't cleared up much. Many Finns still hate Russians. I personally, don't hate Russia nor any other country. But I know what war causes. RIP all the victims, both Russian and Finnish, who died when the Red Army attacked.
But war is a part of the human nature, and so peace will never be found...

What we really DON'T want, is the so called aid from the US.
What we want, is the Georgians to apologize for what they did, and also the Russians to do the same.

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What we really DON'T want, is the so called aid from the US.

Why not their aid??? They are all heroes, like Rambo is...
They brought freedom and democracy to Iraq

THE WAR IS OVER THERE, I HEARD ON CNN, LOL

They will maybe(maybe-100percent, maybe not-12percent)kill a few dozen thousands of civilians, but you'll be then a part of "the free world"-YOU'LL BE FREE TO OBEY AND SERVE.

One killed on street is called "homicide", but 20,000 people shoot-out is populary known as "colateral damage"

**mister ep** · #9 (**permalink**) 08-20-2008, 08:53 AM

SRXRZA, are you sure you are not working for the CIA?
I'm asking because your attitude is a precise example of what scares the rest of the world about your country...

SRXRZA · #10 (**permalink**) 08-20-2008, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by mister ep

SRXRZA, are you sure you are not working for the CIA?
I'm asking because your attitude is a precise example of what scares the rest of the world about your country...

I don't get you very well. You must be American(only they are so poorly educated as I heard and saw in many occasions).
My avatar isn't a Russian flag, so I'm not Russian-GET IT? Probably not...

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